No-one-ganks like-Gaston
Seykal Expeditionary Group
Minmatar Republic
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Posted - 2015.06.01 21:23:00 -
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You're worried someone's going to run a suicide fit just because they have an APEX suit with an RE BPO? You can already run a suicide fit for damn near nothing just taking a standard suit (hell, use one of the free starter suits, even), a profile dampener or two (or just a cloak if you can fit it), and a basic RE. What's the total loss there? Maybe 5k? Oh yeah. That's totally going to keep people from suiciding on you. That 5k loss is just so damn much to my wallet. It would take nearly 30 deaths to go into the red using that fit. And if you die 30 times in a single match, you should probably step away for a little bit.
I don't know what matches you've been in, but I barely ever see an RE anywhere except at an objective. Having to actually run into the middle of a battle, even before the nerf, to place an RE to kill enough people to make a difference is too much risk for most players. You only really see that in tightly enclosed areas where there's a huge f*cking firefight going on. Two Core Locus Grenades will do better than an RE in that situation. A much wider explosion, almost as much damage as a proto RE, and they are actually thrown, meaning a grenadier isn't in nearly as much danger as a demolitionist. And the reduction in throw distance for REs didn't do anything but make those kills slightly harder to obtain. A few more steps forward. That's it. They're still putting themselves in exactly the same situation, getting right up into the middle of a group of reds, but now they have to be slightly closer to do it. This has changed nothing but where the RE thrower has to be in order to get the kills.
You're complaining that REs get so many kills? Do you complain about skilled snipers, too? Do you complain about HMGs with a logi behind them, too? Do you complain about stealthed shotgunners or nova knifers? If no, shut up about REs. Those are all just as likely to kill you as an RE. Some of them even more easily. If yes, shut up about REs. You would clearly whine about anything else.
The only bonus an RE has over a grenade is higher damage and the ability to activate it whenever you want. And setting off an RE at someone's feet right after you throw it is damn near exactly the same as cooking a grenade. The difference? With a grenade I don't have to be making out with your backside to get the kill. And if someone kills me after I throw the grenade, it's still going off. Nothing you can do. If you kill me after I drop an RE, you're perfectly fine until I respawn, which could be anywhere from five to seventeen seconds (counting the time it takes to get out of the death screen and select somewhere to spawn) which is plenty of time to get out of the way and remove it safely.
The RE has the damage it does and had the throw distance it did because of all its drawbacks. You have to be close to throw it into enemies, meaning you are constantly at risk if you use it in actual fights, rather than as traps at objectives. The radius is only five meters and doesn't change, unless you choose one of the other variants. Where it's less. Sure the damage improves, but the only thing you'll be killing with the improved damage is that one heavy who put everything into his armor, assuming he and his logi, and you know he has a pet logi, are even caught in the blast. |
No-one-ganks like-Gaston
Seykal Expeditionary Group
Minmatar Republic
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Posted - 2015.06.01 21:27:00 -
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Krias Thracian wrote:Well, the death screen when I got killed specified that it did 1950 damage to me and from 8 metres away. There were no enemies within 20 metres of me, so I guess I was "pulling this stuff" from the game telling me "this stuff".
I'm pretty sure it tells you the distance between you and the guy who killed you, not from you and what killed you. If it told you the range the RE killed you at, I'd be very suspect of an RE killing me at 215 meters. I'm honestly not sure where the damage came from. I don't have access to Dust at the moment or I'd check if there were suddenly something that increased RE damage. Because last I knew, nothing did. Unless one of the compact REs did you out. In which case that was a damn bold strategy, with a blast radius of only a single meter. Not sure what their damage is, though. |